Olds Trumpet Recording Serial Number
F.E. Olds Super Trumpet. Serial number: 428132. This F.E. Olds Super trumpet was produced in Fullerton, The SUPER came before the Recording.
Olds Recording; Olds Super; Easily learn the age of your horn by using our quick links serial numbers resource I have a Olds Ambassador trumpet serial 349969.
Olds Trumpets Rafael Mendez played an Olds Mendez This Olds Recording trumpet is a great example of the design work of the southern The serial number.
An Index to Olds Instruments
F.E. Olds was born in Medina The Recording model trumpet and Today these are very rare as they were not generally available to the public and a large.
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1947 Ambassador introduced at around 27,000
1954 Trombone and trumpet serial number lists merged
1955 production moved from LA to Fullerton between 149,6xx, 150,3xx
1956 eliminated large-shank mouthpiece receiver on cornetss 189,611
1958 redesigned Ambassador cornets trumpets. Pinky ring changed to hook, bracing changed. 246,5xx and 248,8xx
1964 Alliance with Norlin Music 450,000
1979 July 13th, production ceased A41000
Since this began as a study of trumpet serial numbers, UPDATE: I now have a report of an Olds Recording trombone s/n 56,668.
F. E. Olds and Son Serial Numbers
Olds Super Recording Models. When Olds introduced the Super Recording Model trumpet and Recording trumpet, serial number 6085 and the next photo.
Was unable to get any specific dates of model introductions much less exact serial numbers. Recording trumpet and Olds Serial Numbers and Dates For trumpets.
Robb Stewart has put together some improved serial number dates based on
more recent discoveries. His data can be found here.
Below are my original guesses as to beginning-of-year serial numbers for pre-1952 Olds horns. You can read my reasoning for the pre-1946 numbers, or the 1946-1952 numbers.
In arriving at these numbers I have attempted to reconcile the Robb Stewart data with the firsthand reports. I welcome any evidence that can help me improve on these guesses:
Note: According to longtime Olds employee Don Agard, the trumpet and trombone serial number lists were not combined until 1953.
This conflicts with the Robb Stewart article, which was also based on interviews with former employees.
Since this began as a study of trumpet serial numbers, most of the data collected has been from trumpet owners, so
the impact of this discrepancy is probably minimal on the actual trumpet serial number charts. However
if Mr. Agard s account is correct, trombone serial numbers lagged behind trumpets until they were merged in
1953. According to Agard, the last 1953 trumpets being in the 68,000 range while trombones in the 48,000 range.
This does not agree with the published serial number records, which indicate that they reached 90,000 in
February 1953 and 100,000 in October 1953. I don t know how to reconcile these accounts so I ll just present
them as data collected. At worst, they create some uncertainty for manufacture date of trumpets/cornets
in the 70,000-100,000 range but the uncertainty is at most a year or two. For trombones, the uncertainty
for horns prior to 100,000 would be substantially greater. Note that discovery of a trombone with a
serial number between 48,000 and 100,000 would disprove the Agard account. I don t have evidence that
such a trombone exists but I haven t really looked hard for it since my focus has been on trumpets and cornets.
UPDATE: I now have a report of an Olds Recording trombone s/n 56,668.
That suggests that trombone serial numbers went higher than previously
before the merger of trombones and trumpet into a single serial number
Jan 2004: an Olds Super trombone was seen on ebay with a serial number of 54,571even including a nice closeup
of the serial number. This doesn t completely disprove the Agard account but at least it means trombones went
at least to 54,571 before the merger Agard describes. We would need to see trombones in the 6x,xxx / 7x,xxx /
8x,xxx / 9x,xxx ranges in order to dispute Agard s account with much confidence.
Aug 2006: Revising the early trombone dates due to discovery of 4016 with original paperwork showing a manufacture date of 1923.
19338250s/n lists merged in late 1932 at around 7000
194113250production curtailed after US entered WWII 12/7/1941
194214000S/n 14005 made in May 1942, from original warranty card
194828000Ambassador introduced at around 27,000
1948Late 1948, serial number 35xxx Olds Studio, earliest example I ve seen
1948around 28000 perhaps a bit earlier, for the fall 1947 school year introduced Ambassador trumpets and cornets
1950between 45,8xx and 49,6xxreplaced Super Recording with Recording model
1952somewhere around 70,000introduced Mendez model
fall 1955between 149,6xx and 150,3xxmoved production from LA to Fullerton
September 1956s/n 189,611elimination of the large-shank mouthpiece receiver on cornets
Spring 1958between 246,5xx and 248,8xxredesigned Ambassador cornets trumpets. Pinky ring changed to pinky hook. Also bracing changed.
1964around 450,000Alliance with Norlin Music F.A.Reynolds horns
1971around 720,000Zig Kanstul leaves Olds to take over Benge plant
1979July 13th, approx. serial A41000, production ceased
19791979,Nov. 7th all production equipment and parts were auctioned.At the auction Allied Supply purchased a 10 yr. supply of all parts except bugles. Selmer/ Bach purchased tooling for all marching brass not bugles and large horns i.e. baritones, tubas etc.. The trade names of Olds and Reynolds were sold to P.J. Laplaca Assoc, Ltd.
Olds Central. The source for See Robb Stewart s more recent serial number data for Olds cornets and trumpets 1957 Olds Catalog Recording Cornet and Trumpet.
An Index to Olds Instruments. 1954 Trombone and trumpet serial number lists merged; 1955 production moved from LA to Fullerton between 149,6xx, 150,3xx.
